From neale at nealemorison.com  Thu Sep  2 10:13:51 2010
From: neale at nealemorison.com (Neale Morison)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 01:13:51 +1000
Subject: [Writingworkshop] By Daylight Forgotten
Message-ID: <AANLkTimg7HOB+tRQEDjRMOGEt_-5y1+MLd=rgFxMH6C3@mail.gmail.com>

Hope is happiness and happiness is hope,
Present feeds on future,
Never now, tomorrow the returning,
A journey to a moment.

Love is loneliness and loneliness is love,
Longing for a joining,
A planet orbiting, captured by its sun,
Seized in separation.

Scars are memories and memories are scars.
Analysis then synthesis,
Rough reconstruction, knit where the blade has cut,
Tougher, harder, wiser.

Death is endlessness and endlessness is death,
The break in the continuum,
Forever flows forward, forever falls behind,
Divided by a moment.

Night is clarity and clarity is night,
The world falls away,
And in the silence dim forms glimmer,
By daylight forgotten.

--
Neale Morison
neale at nealemorison.com
http://www.nealemorison.com



-- 
Neale Morison
neale at nealemorison.com
http://www.nealemorison.com


From adam.holland at gmail.com  Thu Sep  2 21:12:15 2010
From: adam.holland at gmail.com (Adam Holland)
Date: Thu, 2 Sep 2010 22:12:15 -0400
Subject: [Writingworkshop] By Daylight Forgotten
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimg7HOB+tRQEDjRMOGEt_-5y1+MLd=rgFxMH6C3@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <AANLkTikLbD26jtQBVUTGF0d1AjB_h_Rvx_e2dTU=LHFj@mail.gmail.com>

I very much liked the scar stanza, and the paradoxical conceptualization of
night ( darkness) as clarity.

On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Neale Morison <neale at nealemorison.com>wrote:

> Hope is happiness and happiness is hope,
> Present feeds on future,
> Never now, tomorrow the returning,
> A journey to a moment.
>
> Love is loneliness and loneliness is love,
> Longing for a joining,
> A planet orbiting, captured by its sun,
> Seized in separation.
>
> Scars are memories and memories are scars.
> Analysis then synthesis,
> Rough reconstruction, knit where the blade has cut,
> Tougher, harder, wiser.
>
> Death is endlessness and endlessness is death,
> The break in the continuum,
> Forever flows forward, forever falls behind,
> Divided by a moment.
>
> Night is clarity and clarity is night,
> The world falls away,
> And in the silence dim forms glimmer,
> By daylight forgotten.
>
> --
> Neale Morison
> neale at nealemorison.com
> http://www.nealemorison.com
>
>
>
> --
> Neale Morison
> neale at nealemorison.com
> http://www.nealemorison.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Writingworkshop mailing list
> Writingworkshop at nealemorison.org
> http://nealemorison.org/mailman/listinfo/writingworkshop_nealemorison.org
>
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From nealemorison at gmail.com  Thu Sep  2 21:31:57 2010
From: nealemorison at gmail.com (Neale Morison)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 12:31:57 +1000
Subject: [Writingworkshop] By Daylight Forgotten
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikLbD26jtQBVUTGF0d1AjB_h_Rvx_e2dTU=LHFj@mail.gmail.com>
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	<AANLkTikLbD26jtQBVUTGF0d1AjB_h_Rvx_e2dTU=LHFj@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks Adam. The scars are memories line was what occurred to me first.

On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Adam Holland <adam.holland at gmail.com> wrote:
> I very much liked the scar stanza, and the paradoxical conceptualization of
> night ( darkness) as clarity.
>
> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 11:13 AM, Neale Morison <neale at nealemorison.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hope is happiness and happiness is hope,
>> Present feeds on future,
>> Never now, tomorrow the returning,
>> A journey to a moment.
>>
>> Love is loneliness and loneliness is love,
>> Longing for a joining,
>> A planet orbiting, captured by its sun,
>> Seized in separation.
>>
>> Scars are memories and memories are scars.
>> Analysis then synthesis,
>> Rough reconstruction, knit where the blade has cut,
>> Tougher, harder, wiser.
>>
>> Death is endlessness and endlessness is death,
>> The break in the continuum,
>> Forever flows forward, forever falls behind,
>> Divided by a moment.
>>
>> Night is clarity and clarity is night,
>> The world falls away,
>> And in the silence dim forms glimmer,
>> By daylight forgotten.
>>
>> --
>> Neale Morison
>> neale at nealemorison.com
>> http://www.nealemorison.com
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Neale Morison
>> neale at nealemorison.com
>> http://www.nealemorison.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Writingworkshop mailing list
>> Writingworkshop at nealemorison.org
>> http://nealemorison.org/mailman/listinfo/writingworkshop_nealemorison.org
>
>



-- 
Neale Morison
neale at nealemorison.com
http://www.nealemorison.com


From neale at nealemorison.com  Thu Sep  9 18:46:48 2010
From: neale at nealemorison.com (Neale Morison)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 09:46:48 +1000
Subject: [Writingworkshop] Music for two songs: Ain't No Such Thing,
	Something's Going Down
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=Z7GV-e31onuCOTLWpmZtTSy10odF6zZ=PL7YM@mail.gmail.com>

See:
http://www.nealemorison.com/music/AintNoSuchThing/AintNoSuchThing.mp3
http://www.nealemorison.com/music/AintNoSuchThing/AintNoSuchThing.pdf


http://www.nealemorison.com/music/SomethingsGoingDown/SomethingsGoingDown.mp3
http://www.nealemorison.com/music/SomethingsGoingDown/SomethingsGoingDownVoicePiano.pdf


There are links to these on:
http://www.nealemorison.com/music
http://www.nealemorison.com/writing/poetry


I've been working with a musical nerd's delight: Lilypond
This is a music markup system where you edit a script in a text editor
to produce notation and midi.
And the markup is programmable and based on Scheme! So I can build
scripts that output the markup.

-- 
Neale Morison
neale at nealemorison.com
http://www.nealemorison.com


From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Thu Sep  9 22:42:15 2010
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 22:42:15 -0500
Subject: [Writingworkshop] Music for two songs: Ain't No Such Thing,
 Something's Going Down
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=Z7GV-e31onuCOTLWpmZtTSy10odF6zZ=PL7YM@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=Z7GV-e31onuCOTLWpmZtTSy10odF6zZ=PL7YM@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=ZLai1M306fC31dUEPLp5MfpHfM9bkTO67G4c=@mail.gmail.com>

Scheme!  Hell yeah.  I literally just opened a book on learning how to read
music last night, this is perfect.

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Neale Morison <neale at nealemorison.com>wrote:

> See:
> http://www.nealemorison.com/music/AintNoSuchThing/AintNoSuchThing.mp3
> http://www.nealemorison.com/music/AintNoSuchThing/AintNoSuchThing.pdf
>
>
>
> http://www.nealemorison.com/music/SomethingsGoingDown/SomethingsGoingDown.mp3
>
> http://www.nealemorison.com/music/SomethingsGoingDown/SomethingsGoingDownVoicePiano.pdf
>
>
> There are links to these on:
> http://www.nealemorison.com/music
> http://www.nealemorison.com/writing/poetry
>
>
> I've been working with a musical nerd's delight: Lilypond
> This is a music markup system where you edit a script in a text editor
> to produce notation and midi.
> And the markup is programmable and based on Scheme! So I can build
> scripts that output the markup.
>
> --
> Neale Morison
> neale at nealemorison.com
> http://www.nealemorison.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Writingworkshop mailing list
> Writingworkshop at nealemorison.org
> http://nealemorison.org/mailman/listinfo/writingworkshop_nealemorison.org
>
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From adam.holland at gmail.com  Fri Sep 10 18:13:14 2010
From: adam.holland at gmail.com (Adam Holland)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 19:13:14 -0400
Subject: [Writingworkshop] Music for two songs: Ain't No Such Thing,
 Something's Going Down
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=ZLai1M306fC31dUEPLp5MfpHfM9bkTO67G4c=@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=Z7GV-e31onuCOTLWpmZtTSy10odF6zZ=PL7YM@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=ZLai1M306fC31dUEPLp5MfpHfM9bkTO67G4c=@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik_6J8RWi68gfdG-dDpMN-=+39xPd=YonaKN89W@mail.gmail.com>

You guys are making me feel boring and inadequate.
:)

Nice work, Neale!

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>wrote:

> Scheme!  Hell yeah.  I literally just opened a book on learning how to read
> music last night, this is perfect.
>
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Neale Morison <neale at nealemorison.com>wrote:
>
>> See:
>> http://www.nealemorison.com/music/AintNoSuchThing/AintNoSuchThing.mp3
>> http://www.nealemorison.com/music/AintNoSuchThing/AintNoSuchThing.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.nealemorison.com/music/SomethingsGoingDown/SomethingsGoingDown.mp3
>>
>> http://www.nealemorison.com/music/SomethingsGoingDown/SomethingsGoingDownVoicePiano.pdf
>>
>>
>> There are links to these on:
>> http://www.nealemorison.com/music
>> http://www.nealemorison.com/writing/poetry
>>
>>
>> I've been working with a musical nerd's delight: Lilypond
>> This is a music markup system where you edit a script in a text editor
>> to produce notation and midi.
>> And the markup is programmable and based on Scheme! So I can build
>> scripts that output the markup.
>>
>> --
>> Neale Morison
>> neale at nealemorison.com
>> http://www.nealemorison.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Writingworkshop mailing list
>> Writingworkshop at nealemorison.org
>> http://nealemorison.org/mailman/listinfo/writingworkshop_nealemorison.org
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Writingworkshop mailing list
> Writingworkshop at nealemorison.org
> http://nealemorison.org/mailman/listinfo/writingworkshop_nealemorison.org
>
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From nealemorison at gmail.com  Sat Sep 11 02:38:43 2010
From: nealemorison at gmail.com (Neale Morison)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 17:38:43 +1000
Subject: [Writingworkshop] Music for two songs: Ain't No Such Thing,
 Something's Going Down
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik_6J8RWi68gfdG-dDpMN-=+39xPd=YonaKN89W@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=Z7GV-e31onuCOTLWpmZtTSy10odF6zZ=PL7YM@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=ZLai1M306fC31dUEPLp5MfpHfM9bkTO67G4c=@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik_6J8RWi68gfdG-dDpMN-=+39xPd=YonaKN89W@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimwj7+9QUmFWnzagnPgNjKtD3_M23Ldks+UJOLf@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah, well when I can two lots of ten chin-ups within 90 seconds of
each other I'll let you know how I feel.

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Adam Holland <adam.holland at gmail.com> wrote:
> You guys are making me feel boring and inadequate.
> :)
>
> Nice work, Neale!
>
> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Scheme!? Hell yeah.? I literally just opened a book on learning how to
>> read music last night, this is perfect.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Neale Morison <neale at nealemorison.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> See:
>>> http://www.nealemorison.com/music/AintNoSuchThing/AintNoSuchThing.mp3
>>> http://www.nealemorison.com/music/AintNoSuchThing/AintNoSuchThing.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.nealemorison.com/music/SomethingsGoingDown/SomethingsGoingDown.mp3
>>>
>>> http://www.nealemorison.com/music/SomethingsGoingDown/SomethingsGoingDownVoicePiano.pdf
>>>
>>>
>>> There are links to these on:
>>> http://www.nealemorison.com/music
>>> http://www.nealemorison.com/writing/poetry
>>>
>>>
>>> I've been working with a musical nerd's delight: Lilypond
>>> This is a music markup system where you edit a script in a text editor
>>> to produce notation and midi.
>>> And the markup is programmable and based on Scheme! So I can build
>>> scripts that output the markup.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Neale Morison
>>> neale at nealemorison.com
>>> http://www.nealemorison.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Writingworkshop mailing list
>>> Writingworkshop at nealemorison.org
>>> http://nealemorison.org/mailman/listinfo/writingworkshop_nealemorison.org
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Writingworkshop mailing list
>> Writingworkshop at nealemorison.org
>> http://nealemorison.org/mailman/listinfo/writingworkshop_nealemorison.org
>>
>
>



-- 
Neale Morison
neale at nealemorison.com
http://www.nealemorison.com


From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Sat Sep 11 02:39:36 2010
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Sat, 11 Sep 2010 02:39:36 -0500
Subject: [Writingworkshop] Music for two songs: Ain't No Such Thing,
 Something's Going Down
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimwj7+9QUmFWnzagnPgNjKtD3_M23Ldks+UJOLf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=Z7GV-e31onuCOTLWpmZtTSy10odF6zZ=PL7YM@mail.gmail.com>
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	<AANLkTimwj7+9QUmFWnzagnPgNjKtD3_M23Ldks+UJOLf@mail.gmail.com>
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hahahahahahahaha
 +1 on that one

On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 2:38 AM, Neale Morison <nealemorison at gmail.com>wrote:

> Yeah, well when I can two lots of ten chin-ups within 90 seconds of
> each other I'll let you know how I feel.
>
> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Adam Holland <adam.holland at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > You guys are making me feel boring and inadequate.
> > :)
> >
> > Nice work, Neale!
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Scheme!  Hell yeah.  I literally just opened a book on learning how to
> >> read music last night, this is perfect.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Neale Morison <neale at nealemorison.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> See:
> >>> http://www.nealemorison.com/music/AintNoSuchThing/AintNoSuchThing.mp3
> >>> http://www.nealemorison.com/music/AintNoSuchThing/AintNoSuchThing.pdf
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.nealemorison.com/music/SomethingsGoingDown/SomethingsGoingDown.mp3
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.nealemorison.com/music/SomethingsGoingDown/SomethingsGoingDownVoicePiano.pdf
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> There are links to these on:
> >>> http://www.nealemorison.com/music
> >>> http://www.nealemorison.com/writing/poetry
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I've been working with a musical nerd's delight: Lilypond
> >>> This is a music markup system where you edit a script in a text editor
> >>> to produce notation and midi.
> >>> And the markup is programmable and based on Scheme! So I can build
> >>> scripts that output the markup.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Neale Morison
> >>> neale at nealemorison.com
> >>> http://www.nealemorison.com
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Writingworkshop mailing list
> >>> Writingworkshop at nealemorison.org
> >>>
> http://nealemorison.org/mailman/listinfo/writingworkshop_nealemorison.org
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Writingworkshop mailing list
> >> Writingworkshop at nealemorison.org
> >>
> http://nealemorison.org/mailman/listinfo/writingworkshop_nealemorison.org
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Neale Morison
> neale at nealemorison.com
> http://www.nealemorison.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Writingworkshop mailing list
> Writingworkshop at nealemorison.org
> http://nealemorison.org/mailman/listinfo/writingworkshop_nealemorison.org
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From adam.holland at gmail.com  Sun Sep 12 20:25:26 2010
From: adam.holland at gmail.com (Adam Holland)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 21:25:26 -0400
Subject: [Writingworkshop] Music for two songs: Ain't No Such Thing,
 Something's Going Down
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Touche' !!
No matter where you go, the grass always seems greener elsewhere to the
inhabitants.
It's always healthy to be reminded that the people you admire  want things
too.


I enjoy my physical achievements, but don't want them to solely define me.
funny to have gone from being the classic nerd as a young boy to sometimes
being considered the "dumb jock"  as an adult.


It's a longer conversation, but I suppose the issue it is that I want to be
able to do what I do *and  *all the other things you all can do that I
can't.
Impossible of course....
Also, so much easier to consume information than to create something worth
consuming.

Dan, what's the book?  do you recommend it?


On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 3:38 AM, Neale Morison <nealemorison at gmail.com>wrote:

> Yeah, well when I can two lots of ten chin-ups within 90 seconds of
> each other I'll let you know how I feel.
>
> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Adam Holland <adam.holland at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > You guys are making me feel boring and inadequate.
> > :)
> >
> > Nice work, Neale!
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Scheme!  Hell yeah.  I literally just opened a book on learning how to
> >> read music last night, this is perfect.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Neale Morison <neale at nealemorison.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> See:
> >>> http://www.nealemorison.com/music/AintNoSuchThing/AintNoSuchThing.mp3
> >>> http://www.nealemorison.com/music/AintNoSuchThing/AintNoSuchThing.pdf
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.nealemorison.com/music/SomethingsGoingDown/SomethingsGoingDown.mp3
> >>>
> >>>
> http://www.nealemorison.com/music/SomethingsGoingDown/SomethingsGoingDownVoicePiano.pdf
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> There are links to these on:
> >>> http://www.nealemorison.com/music
> >>> http://www.nealemorison.com/writing/poetry
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I've been working with a musical nerd's delight: Lilypond
> >>> This is a music markup system where you edit a script in a text editor
> >>> to produce notation and midi.
> >>> And the markup is programmable and based on Scheme! So I can build
> >>> scripts that output the markup.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Neale Morison
> >>> neale at nealemorison.com
> >>> http://www.nealemorison.com
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Writingworkshop mailing list
> >>> Writingworkshop at nealemorison.org
> >>>
> http://nealemorison.org/mailman/listinfo/writingworkshop_nealemorison.org
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Writingworkshop mailing list
> >> Writingworkshop at nealemorison.org
> >>
> http://nealemorison.org/mailman/listinfo/writingworkshop_nealemorison.org
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Neale Morison
> neale at nealemorison.com
> http://www.nealemorison.com
>
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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Sun Sep 12 21:39:14 2010
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 21:39:14 -0500
Subject: [Writingworkshop] Music for two songs: Ain't No Such Thing,
 Something's Going Down
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One quibble, I *sincerely* doubt anyone here defines you by your physical
accomplishments.  I actually don't think you were implying that, merely
stating a (possibly) recurring thought you have.  I was just the other day
pissed off because my goto superlative is "awesome", and I get the
*worst*reactions from programmers (been going to a couple of
programmer meetups
lately) I meet when i pull that one out.  Drives me nuts; "I could really
give a shit if you got a  fucking patch accepted to the most recent lInux
kernel, if you're gonna look down your fucking nose at me because I'm not
automatically speaking like I compose thesauri at the drop of hat then fuck
off". sigh.  Its seriously such a pain in the ass and honestly related to
this thread, in my opinion. Meaning, the people who judge so quickly on such
scant conditions have so little else that they have tried, let alone
mastered, and it makes their already fragile egos even thinner.  shrug. or
maybe not.  I can be a grating bastard, occasionally, from what I hear ;)

I couldn't agree more, that it *is* healthy to be reminded that the people
you admire also want things (i.e. wish for something related to self to be
other than it is or better than it is, or more, etc).

I'm struggling very much right now to live the deadline driven life of a
struggling freelancer and somehow still do the things I want to do, like
play the guitar and sing.  I'm realizing how healthy it is for me though, to
struggle this way, how inefficient my learning habits actually are.

The book is good so far, I've barely touched it after the other night.  But
having been reminded of it I'll be working through it tonight.  It offers to
teach the basics of reading music in a couple of sittings, not in the
"dummies guide" way, but its-really-this-simple-just-follow-along way. It
was published in the 50's and the printing I have is rather recent, so I'm
guessing more than a few have done well by it.  Here it is on
amazon<http://www.amazon.com/Learn-Read-Music-Softcover-Book/dp/0671210270/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1284344841&sr=8-1>.
 I'll happily post my learnings here.

On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Adam Holland <adam.holland at gmail.com>wrote:

> Touche' !!
> No matter where you go, the grass always seems greener elsewhere to the
> inhabitants.
> It's always healthy to be reminded that the people you admire  want things
> too.
>
>
> I enjoy my physical achievements, but don't want them to solely define me.
> funny to have gone from being the classic nerd as a young boy to sometimes
> being considered the "dumb jock"  as an adult.
>
>
> It's a longer conversation, but I suppose the issue it is that I want to be
> able to do what I do *and  *all the other things you all can do that I
> can't.
> Impossible of course....
> Also, so much easier to consume information than to create something worth
> consuming.
>
> Dan, what's the book?  do you recommend it?
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 3:38 AM, Neale Morison <nealemorison at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Yeah, well when I can two lots of ten chin-ups within 90 seconds of
>> each other I'll let you know how I feel.
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Adam Holland <adam.holland at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > You guys are making me feel boring and inadequate.
>> > :)
>> >
>> > Nice work, Neale!
>> >
>> > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com
>> >
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Scheme!  Hell yeah.  I literally just opened a book on learning how to
>> >> read music last night, this is perfect.
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Neale Morison <neale at nealemorison.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> See:
>> >>> http://www.nealemorison.com/music/AintNoSuchThing/AintNoSuchThing.mp3
>> >>> http://www.nealemorison.com/music/AintNoSuchThing/AintNoSuchThing.pdf
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> http://www.nealemorison.com/music/SomethingsGoingDown/SomethingsGoingDown.mp3
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> http://www.nealemorison.com/music/SomethingsGoingDown/SomethingsGoingDownVoicePiano.pdf
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> There are links to these on:
>> >>> http://www.nealemorison.com/music
>> >>> http://www.nealemorison.com/writing/poetry
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I've been working with a musical nerd's delight: Lilypond
>> >>> This is a music markup system where you edit a script in a text editor
>> >>> to produce notation and midi.
>> >>> And the markup is programmable and based on Scheme! So I can build
>> >>> scripts that output the markup.
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Neale Morison
>> >>> neale at nealemorison.com
>> >>> http://www.nealemorison.com
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> Writingworkshop mailing list
>> >>> Writingworkshop at nealemorison.org
>> >>>
>> http://nealemorison.org/mailman/listinfo/writingworkshop_nealemorison.org
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
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>> >> Writingworkshop at nealemorison.org
>> >>
>> http://nealemorison.org/mailman/listinfo/writingworkshop_nealemorison.org
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Neale Morison
>> neale at nealemorison.com
>> http://www.nealemorison.com
>>
>
>
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From adam.holland at gmail.com  Sun Sep 12 21:51:51 2010
From: adam.holland at gmail.com (Adam Holland)
Date: Sun, 12 Sep 2010 22:51:51 -0400
Subject: [Writingworkshop] Music for two songs: Ain't No Such Thing,
 Something's Going Down
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re: "
One quibble, I *sincerely* doubt anyone here defines you by your physical
accomplishments.  I actually don't think you were implying that, merely
stating a (possibly) recurring thought you have."

No, not at all!!
It you all who know me as other than physical, which is why it never occurs
to me to compare myself to you with that metric.
Wrong arena, yes?
If you were training with me, then sure,  that would become meaningful.

Recuring though for sure.
It's a question of how I manifest to people I meet,, and how I'd like to.

I love the idea of composing thesauri.
;)
What's wrong with "awesome"?
Is there any common superlative that isn't well worn?
I mean, what would they have you say?
"Empyrean"?

On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 10:39 PM, Daniel Peters <danieltpeters at gmail.com>wrote:

> One quibble, I *sincerely* doubt anyone here defines you by your physical
> accomplishments.  I actually don't think you were implying that, merely
> stating a (possibly) recurring thought you have.  I was just the other day
> pissed off because my goto superlative is "awesome", and I get the *worst*reactions from programmers (been going to a couple of programmer meetups
> lately) I meet when i pull that one out.  Drives me nuts; "I could really
> give a shit if you got a  fucking patch accepted to the most recent lInux
> kernel, if you're gonna look down your fucking nose at me because I'm not
> automatically speaking like I compose thesauri at the drop of hat then fuck
> off". sigh.  Its seriously such a pain in the ass and honestly related to
> this thread, in my opinion. Meaning, the people who judge so quickly on such
> scant conditions have so little else that they have tried, let alone
> mastered, and it makes their already fragile egos even thinner.  shrug. or
> maybe not.  I can be a grating bastard, occasionally, from what I hear ;)
>
> I couldn't agree more, that it *is* healthy to be reminded that the people
> you admire also want things (i.e. wish for something related to self to be
> other than it is or better than it is, or more, etc).
>
> I'm struggling very much right now to live the deadline driven life of a
> struggling freelancer and somehow still do the things I want to do, like
> play the guitar and sing.  I'm realizing how healthy it is for me though, to
> struggle this way, how inefficient my learning habits actually are.
>
> The book is good so far, I've barely touched it after the other night.  But
> having been reminded of it I'll be working through it tonight.  It offers to
> teach the basics of reading music in a couple of sittings, not in the
> "dummies guide" way, but its-really-this-simple-just-follow-along way. It
> was published in the 50's and the printing I have is rather recent, so I'm
> guessing more than a few have done well by it.  Here it is on amazon<http://www.amazon.com/Learn-Read-Music-Softcover-Book/dp/0671210270/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1284344841&sr=8-1>.  I'll happily post my learnings here.
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Adam Holland <adam.holland at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Touche' !!
>> No matter where you go, the grass always seems greener elsewhere to the
>> inhabitants.
>> It's always healthy to be reminded that the people you admire  want things
>> too.
>>
>>
>> I enjoy my physical achievements, but don't want them to solely define me.
>> funny to have gone from being the classic nerd as a young boy to sometimes
>> being considered the "dumb jock"  as an adult.
>>
>>
>> It's a longer conversation, but I suppose the issue it is that I want to
>> be able to do what I do *and  *all the other things you all can do that I
>> can't.
>> Impossible of course....
>> Also, so much easier to consume information than to create something worth
>> consuming.
>>
>> Dan, what's the book?  do you recommend it?
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 3:38 AM, Neale Morison <nealemorison at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, well when I can two lots of ten chin-ups within 90 seconds of
>>> each other I'll let you know how I feel.
>>>
>>> On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Adam Holland <adam.holland at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> > You guys are making me feel boring and inadequate.
>>> > :)
>>> >
>>> > Nice work, Neale!
>>> >
>>> > On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Daniel Peters <
>>> danieltpeters at gmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> Scheme!  Hell yeah.  I literally just opened a book on learning how to
>>> >> read music last night, this is perfect.
>>> >>
>>> >> On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 6:46 PM, Neale Morison <neale at nealemorison.com
>>> >
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> See:
>>> >>>
>>> http://www.nealemorison.com/music/AintNoSuchThing/AintNoSuchThing.mp3
>>> >>>
>>> http://www.nealemorison.com/music/AintNoSuchThing/AintNoSuchThing.pdf
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> http://www.nealemorison.com/music/SomethingsGoingDown/SomethingsGoingDown.mp3
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> http://www.nealemorison.com/music/SomethingsGoingDown/SomethingsGoingDownVoicePiano.pdf
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> There are links to these on:
>>> >>> http://www.nealemorison.com/music
>>> >>> http://www.nealemorison.com/writing/poetry
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I've been working with a musical nerd's delight: Lilypond
>>> >>> This is a music markup system where you edit a script in a text
>>> editor
>>> >>> to produce notation and midi.
>>> >>> And the markup is programmable and based on Scheme! So I can build
>>> >>> scripts that output the markup.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> Neale Morison
>>> >>> neale at nealemorison.com
>>> >>> http://www.nealemorison.com
>>> >>>
>>> >>> _______________________________________________
>>> >>> Writingworkshop mailing list
>>> >>> Writingworkshop at nealemorison.org
>>> >>>
>>> http://nealemorison.org/mailman/listinfo/writingworkshop_nealemorison.org
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> _______________________________________________
>>> >> Writingworkshop mailing list
>>> >> Writingworkshop at nealemorison.org
>>> >>
>>> http://nealemorison.org/mailman/listinfo/writingworkshop_nealemorison.org
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Neale Morison
>>> neale at nealemorison.com
>>> http://www.nealemorison.com
>>>
>>
>>
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From danieltpeters at gmail.com  Tue Sep 14 22:15:38 2010
From: danieltpeters at gmail.com (Daniel Peters)
Date: Tue, 14 Sep 2010 22:15:38 -0500
Subject: [Writingworkshop] Other music notation tools
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http://www.vexflow.com/

I've seen some other js driven stuff before, but I can't find the link just
this second.
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